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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 28, 2011 9:38pm
Forum: web Subject: removal request not honored

-Why isn't the IA honoring removal requests?
-Why won't they address the copyright permission issue?
-Why won't they post a copy of the removal policy without the HTML errors (it is on the berkley.edu site)?
-Why won't the IA explain why the policy says the removal requests should not be made public yet they keep demanding use of robots.txt (which is public)?
-How is it that many people get their Internet cut off, sued, or arrested for publishing archives of stuff covered by copyright yet IA gets away with it and won't even remove stuff when requested?

And don't send to me to the e-mail address because I tried that and I cannot get answers which is why I came here.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 29, 2011 5:39pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I noticed that removal requests for motion pictures based on official copyright registrations are removed almost immediately. yet when an individual or small party (not represented by an army of lawyers) the Internet Archive stonewalls them and gives all kinds of evasive answers. why the double standard? Does the Internet Archive think they run over the little guy?

It looks to me the scheme is to run over the little guy and put themselves forth as the "Internet Library." That way any individual who complains is portrayed as some kind of troublemaker, is trying to hide something, or is a criminal. This is why they sit back and don't answer. Meanwhile, when a big corporation with lawyers says jump the Internet Archive says "how high."

If the Internet Archive was operating legitimately they should be able to respond with no problem and point to publicly posted policy.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 29, 2011 8:53am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

Maybe IA can answer some hypothetical questions (that they should have resolved before starting an archive in the first place).

-Suppose I say I am in a legal fight (divorce, business dispute, etc) and I say I don't want the other side to see my assets described on my web pages. Does IA analyze the situation and decide for themselves whether or not to post this information? (Of course IA never had permission to begin with so maybe that can be answered first)

-Suppose I say I committed a crime and I don't want the Police to catch me? Again, does IA analyze the situation and decide themselves?

Where is all this explained in the removal policy? I don't see anything about demanding reasons from people for removal requests.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Oct 29, 2011 9:39am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

Hello,
My email is danjoryAThotmail.com, perhaps I can help.



This post was modified by jory2 on 2011-10-29 16:39:46

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 29, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I sent you e-mail last night. If you didn't get it leave a message at copyrights.org.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 30, 2011 4:44pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I added a links to the http://copyrights.org coverage of IA:

-Proceed With Caution: How Digital Archives Have Been Left in the Dark and
-Authors v. Archivers: The Copyright Infringement Battle Over Web Pages

If the IA were operting as alegitimate library they would have a discussion board about these issues. instead they post a vanilla description of copyrights with an article entitles "Internet Archive and Copyright" which never actually discuuses the IA or its procedures.

It looks to me like the IA doesn't want to present a position so they can change their story down the road. Then again maybe there are plans for Alexa to profit off the data. In any case a legitimate library would have written policies and that is not what we see here.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 29, 2011 8:28am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

IA won't answer most of questions about how they post all this stuff without permission. Now they claim that if there is some type of legal action they don't want to be accused of "concealing evidence." This all came from a simple removal request that I made 10 years ago and they never honored. They asked me why I made the request and I mentioned several reasons and they latched on to my mention of uses of the IA for frivolous legal actions. Of course I didn't have to tell them any reason to begin with. By providing and honest answer they have used it against me and are now insinuating I am doing something illegal because I made a remove request. What is boils down to is that they stole my content and and now they are negotiating its release. It is like someone broke into your house and then negotiates the return of your stuff after they are caught. These IA people are arrogant beyond belief considering they reference a removal policy that they don't follow after stealing content from web sites.

I have asked to post their explanations here. Apparently they don't want to do that (maybe they are the ones that have something to hide?)

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 29, 2011 8:43am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

The latest screwball response from IA is them asking me if I assert a copyright on the material. If these clowns would look at the pages they pilfered they would see the copyright notices. These people never respond to the actual issues and keep bring up red herrings to try to wear me down. This is what they do to people who make simple removal requests.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 31, 2011 9:41am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

The IA keeps responding via e-mail even though I have told them numerous times to post replies here. They won't answer why they won't do it or acknowlege my request. That is because they are making stuff up as they go along. No legitimate library would operate like this.

They state: "I had hoped to see if there were ways we could preserve some of the records in order to allow for future content that may appear on these domains to exist in the archives and, following that, sought to see if you would agree to help prevent Internet Archive from being a position where we might be called upon by legal process to furnish excluded records."

The answers are that people, in the future, may request the domain be re-included in the IA. I suggest the IA set up a written policy to that effect and point people to that written policy in the future. That is what a legitimate library would do.

As for the legal issues, there are none other than the often-cited possibility that the information may be used in litigation. I have linked to papers at http://copyrights.org that discuss the use of Wayback Machine as evidence. The the IA doesn't want to be in a position of responding to legal processes they can delete the data from removed content. Again, the IA is negligent in not having a written policy that addresses this information. Other people are complaining because there is no written policy as to what happens with deleted content. A legitimate library operation would have such a policy.

IA is not demanding I certify that I am "making a copyright claim for all domains on your list." The IA states at their web site: “Internet Archive has no interest in including materials in the Wayback Machine of persons who do not wish to have their Web content archived.”

Therefore, no such copyright (or any other) certification is necessary when removal requests are made.

IA won't answer or even address the other questions I have posed. I like the IA but they are arrogant, pure and simple. The founder has a lot of money so he uses it to push people around. Whatever the IA is, it is not a conventional library as no librarian would ever act like this.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:26pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

The IA has finally told me they remove my web site pursuant to my request. However, they won't answer any questions. No library in the world has ever operated like this and a legitimate library would never flinch at providing a data collection policy.

I have made a tax return inspection request. Also, the IA has claimed for many years to have a partnership with the Library of Congress but they never explain what that partnership is. I put in an inquiry with the LOC to see exactly what type of partnership there is. Of course if they don't answer I have a recourse under the Freedom of Information Act. There is no such recourse when dealing with a private entity like the Internet Archive.

Also, if you are having problems getting stuff removed it might be a good idea to sign up for an account at archive.org and ask for removal via this bulletin board. The reason is based on contract law. The IA terms of use is posted at their web site but in one previous lawsuit against them the Internet Archive apparently claimed they were not bound by their terms of service because no contract was formed. Companies such as Cisco, Microsoft and even the TRUSTe privacy seal organization have all stated in court cases that they are not bound by contract law to follow their web site policies (in this case privacy policies) by someone merely visiting their web site. They say visiting a web site is not enough to form a contract. Once you sign up for an account you may be in a much better position to enforce the web site policies and terms of use under contract law.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 30, 2011 8:13am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I have a few more questions.

The policy states that removal requests are supposed to saved (but not made public).
-Was my request saved from 10 years ago?
-Is the IA audited for compliance with these and other posted policies?

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 28, 2011 10:49pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I mentioned possible frivolous legal action as one of several reasons for my removal requests. IA has latched on to this and ignored most of my issues as an excuse not to honor the requests. Now IA wants me to certify there is no pending or foreseeable legal action associated with my removal request. Where is this stipulation in the removal policy? Do people have to certify they are not criminals to make removal requests? Are people making removal request automatically suspected of illegal activity and have to prove their innocence?

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Poster: terryfunk4life Date: Oct 29, 2011 5:04am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I went to your site and you seem like a fraud. Notice the left and right part of the screen on this site have no ads.

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Oct 29, 2011 8:25am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

So sites with ads are run by frauds? I guess that covers most of the Internet. What does that have to do with IA not honoring removal requests anyway?

As for the archive.org site they used to run ads for the Alexa toolbar and are funded by Alexa. I keep asking what the relationship is and how the data is used but IA won't answer. It appears to me there will be an attempt to profit from this data somewhere down the road. In any case it is all speculation since IA won't answer.

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Poster: CheesyKun Date: Dec 1, 2011 7:13am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

I made an account just to tell you what a whiny little bitch you're being. Your site is a couple of paragraphs. Do you even have a legitimate reason for wanting it removed from the Archive other than "because they won't let me". Stop being such an ass and go do something productive. Also, he said that your site looks fake because it has NO adds, not because it HAD adds. That would imply that your site is worth something!
Cheers~

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Poster: copyrights.org Date: Nov 4, 2011 6:57am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

The US Library of Congress responded to my inquiries about the IA. They were able to fully disclose what they are doing and pointed me to their archives of specific subjects at http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/lcwa/html/lcwa-home.html. if you click on any archive you will see an explanation of the copyright issues. They also maintain a FAQ that explains what they are doing at http://www.loc.gov/webarchiving/faq.html#faqs_06.

The LOC seems to be doing things legitimately. The Internet Archive is not doing any of these things. That is the difference between a legitimate library and the Internet Archive.

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Poster: bethk1973 Date: Dec 5, 2011 10:25am
Forum: web Subject: Re: removal request not honored

Perhaps you should seek a college education first. The Library of Congress ALSO links IA on their site, the LOC also uses the same material and you are not inquiring from a credible source to begin with.

In order to be taken seriously from anyone legitimacy is a factor. You are demanding something with complete anonymous backing; your "site" for lack of better words, has no authoritative author, anyone can purchase a .org site, has no professional backed information and lacks any quality. Do some good research and bring facts to the table then maybe someone will listen.